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Özden Arıkan
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Been wondering Jan 26, 2004

Does "turkey" in the expression "to talk turkey" refer to the bird, or to the country? Anyone has an idea?

Jack Doughty wrote:

The subject of why turkeys are called what they are in various languages has come up earlier in this topic.

An article by Mark Steyn in the 'Sunday Telegraph' today has this to say on the subject:

The bird was introduced to Europe early in the 16th century by one of Sebastian Cabot's men who brought it from the New World. The turkey came from Mexico, but was generally assumed to be "a bird of India" (French dinde) everywhere except Britain, where it was named after Turkey because it was similar to a pre-existing bird introduced from Turkey but actually from Guinea, and subsequently re-named the guinea fowl, which was thought to be less confusing than renaming the new turkey the mexico, though in America there is a sub-species of turkey called the mexicana.


[Edited at 2003-12-21 16:38]


 
Zarina
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west-german Pfannkuchen are called Eierkuchen in Berlin Jan 25, 2008

Harry Bornemann wrote:

In the middle and north of West-Germany it is called \"Berliner\", in Berlin it is called \"Pfannkuchen\" (pancake) which is quite another thing in West-Germany, (I still have not found out how they call West-German Pfannkuchen in Berlin) but they all taste very good



In the provided link

http://www.serve.com/shea/germusa/jfkberl.htm

the underlying grammar is thoroughly discussed (in English)



In short, it makes a big difference whether \"Ich bin ein Berliner\" is said by the President of the United States or by the President of a Comedian Club

[ This Message was edited by: Harry_B on 2003-03-26 09:27]



My Grandmother is from Berlin and when she speaks of west-german Pfannkuchen, she calls them "Eierkuchen" (which again refers to another type of food in other parts of Germany). Not sure if that applies for all people in Berlin speaking of west-german Pfannkuchen.


 
Paul Dixon
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Turkey Feb 13, 2008

I noticed that the issue of turkey (the bird) has been discussed at length here, and Jack Doughty made the comment that:

"The bird was introduced to Europe early in the 16th century by one of Sebastian Cabot's men who brought it from the New World. The turkey came from Mexico, but was generally assumed to be "a bird of India" (French dinde) everywhere except Britain, where it was named after Turkey because it was similar to a pre-existing bird introduced from Turkey but actually fro
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I noticed that the issue of turkey (the bird) has been discussed at length here, and Jack Doughty made the comment that:

"The bird was introduced to Europe early in the 16th century by one of Sebastian Cabot's men who brought it from the New World. The turkey came from Mexico, but was generally assumed to be "a bird of India" (French dinde) everywhere except Britain, where it was named after Turkey because it was similar to a pre-existing bird introduced from Turkey but actually from Guinea, and subsequently re-named the guinea fowl, which was thought to be less confusing than renaming the new turkey the mexico, though in America there is a sub-species of turkey called the mexicana."

Well, to make matters more confusing, in Portuguese the word for turkey is not anything like turkey, but *Peru* - any connection with the country I wonder?
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