Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
extrême avancée
English translation:
furthest outpost
Added to glossary by
Barbara Cochran, MFA
Dec 5, 2007 13:04
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I'm having a difficult time adapting this phrase to the rest of the translated context. Is it something like "extends the farthest along Grande Bleue on the French coastline?" I assume it is referring to Toulon (la ville), and "celui-ci" refers to the port, and does "celui de Gène" refer to a gulf or port? These 2 words (and the phrase I have entered) are really throwing me off.
Context:
"Les rois de France ont fait de Toulon le plus grand port de guerre de la Méditerranée. En effet, **extrême avancée** de la côte française sur la Grande Bleue, celui-ci surveille à la fois le golfe de Lyon et celui de Gènes."
Mille Mercis!
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Context:
"Les rois de France ont fait de Toulon le plus grand port de guerre de la Méditerranée. En effet, **extrême avancée** de la côte française sur la Grande Bleue, celui-ci surveille à la fois le golfe de Lyon et celui de Gènes."
Mille Mercis!
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Dec 14, 2007 04:14: Barbara Cochran, MFA Created KOG entry
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Carol Gullidge
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furthest outpost
retains the semi-military terminology.
And "celui" does indeed refer to "le golfe".
A few links for "furthest outpost" in similar contexts:
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Roman Legionary Museum, Caerleon - Manchester City Guide venues ...Britain was its furthest outpost and, in AD 75, a fortress was founded at Caerleon which would guard the region for over 200 years. ...
www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/manchester/museum/WA000086.html?ixs... - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
We choose to go to the moon - WikisourceWhat was once the furthest outpost on the old frontier of the West will be the furthest outpost on the new frontier of science and space. ...
en.wikisource.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_moon - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
Caucasian Watering Places.... is approached through hilly country, partially wooded with oak and ash, elm, beech, and acacia -- the furthest outpost of the Caucasian range. ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60815FE355D11738DDDAD0894DA415B8885F0D3 - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
E. J. DENT, MA, D.Mus.. BYZANTINE MUSIC.As the furthest outpost of Europe, Byzantium had to face. various waves of invasion from the .... Bactria, the furthest outpost of Hellenism in the East, ...
jrma.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/59/1/1.pdf -
And "celui" does indeed refer to "le golfe".
A few links for "furthest outpost" in similar contexts:
wallpaper taz wallpaperTaz: Stuck in the furthest outpost of the Funjunkie empire, Taz was always set up to be ... http://www.funjunkie.co.uk/editors.cfm?Who=Taz ...
yzoo.co.uk/searches/web/taz+wallpaper.html - 127k - Cached - Similar pages
Roman Legionary Museum, Caerleon - Manchester City Guide venues ...Britain was its furthest outpost and, in AD 75, a fortress was founded at Caerleon which would guard the region for over 200 years. ...
www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/manchester/museum/WA000086.html?ixs... - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
We choose to go to the moon - WikisourceWhat was once the furthest outpost on the old frontier of the West will be the furthest outpost on the new frontier of science and space. ...
en.wikisource.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_moon - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
Caucasian Watering Places.... is approached through hilly country, partially wooded with oak and ash, elm, beech, and acacia -- the furthest outpost of the Caucasian range. ...
query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60815FE355D11738DDDAD0894DA415B8885F0D3 - 3k - Cached - Similar pages
E. J. DENT, MA, D.Mus.. BYZANTINE MUSIC.As the furthest outpost of Europe, Byzantium had to face. various waves of invasion from the .... Bactria, the furthest outpost of Hellenism in the East, ...
jrma.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/59/1/1.pdf -
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
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Thanks, Barbara!
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Drmanu49
: outpost would be outside of France...and that is also the way I understand remote ;-).
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thanks, you're partially right! ("beyond the main body of the army"), but it can also be "a remote settlement or stronghold" (Chambers)/St can be remote without being beyond the borders
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Victoria Porter-Burns
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thanks, Victoria!
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emiledgar
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thanks, emiledgar!
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Jonathan MacKerron
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last outpost
my guess
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Carol Gullidge
: sorry, Jonathan, I didn't see your answer! (must be going blind!)
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some facts.....
http://boutique.info-grece.com/product_info.php/manufacturer...
This tells you that la Grande Bleue is the Mediterranean
the extrême avancée means that Toulon is on the point of the Coast in the South of France that extends the furthest south into the Mediterranean
It means that Toulon, at France's southern tip in the Mediterranean, is in a good position to survey the Gulf of Lyon to the one side and the Gulf of Genoa (Italy) to the other
This tells you that la Grande Bleue is the Mediterranean
the extrême avancée means that Toulon is on the point of the Coast in the South of France that extends the furthest south into the Mediterranean
It means that Toulon, at France's southern tip in the Mediterranean, is in a good position to survey the Gulf of Lyon to the one side and the Gulf of Genoa (Italy) to the other
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Julie Barber
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B D Finch
: Not the furthest South as the Roussillon coast is further South, or had you forgotten us in the West?
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no but it is what it SAYS here
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Bourth (X)
: Though "south" is irrelevant really. What about Cerbère, I say! "Longest promontory on/into the Med" (irrespective of direction)
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Assimina Vavoula
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Francis Marche
: Cerbère does not have the French coast extending on both sides, Bourth
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furthest encroachment
Geographically, Toulon is the most southerly extension of the French coast in that area, and as the source text says, it was made into a major naval base for that reason.
I like "outpost" (Jonathan's suggestion) but I don't think the text justifies a military term at this point.
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Note added at 44 mins (2007-12-05 13:49:15 GMT)
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Please don't point out that I misspelt Mediterranean .... I noticed !
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I like "outpost" (Jonathan's suggestion) but I don't think the text justifies a military term at this point.
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Note added at 44 mins (2007-12-05 13:49:15 GMT)
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Please don't point out that I misspelt Mediterranean .... I noticed !
;-)
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Indeed, Toulon, the furthest encroachment of the French coast into the Mediterannean ...
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Southernmost French port on the Big Blue i.e. Mediterranean sea
Valorisation de la partie Toulon - Port Said: Etude la circulation des masses ... the surface circulation in the eastern basin of the Mediterranean Sea. ...
www.ifremer.fr/sismer/program/csus/htql/campagne.htql?CRNO=... - 12k -
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Note added at 18 mins (2007-12-05 13:23:16 GMT)
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Situated at the southernmost tip of the French coast, the PORT OF TOULON benefits from an excellent strategic position in the Western Mediterranean. ...
maritime.var.cci.fr/uk/maritime/port-toulon.asp?idrub=629 - 25k -
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-05 15:24:32 GMT)
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I thought everybody would understand that it is the Southernmost French military or navy port.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-05 15:32:18 GMT)
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and it is gulf in both cases.
Dans le golfe de Gênes, c'est-à-dire sous le vent des Alpes, une dépression de valeur inférieure à 1 008 hPa s'est formée. Au vent de la Corse, au large, ...
www.meteo.fr/meteonet/decouvr/situation/mer.htm - 67k -
Le golfe du Lion est une petite partie de la mer Méditerranée qui se situe face au littoral sableux des régions françaises du Languedoc-Roussillon et de la ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golfe_du_Lion - 20k -
www.ifremer.fr/sismer/program/csus/htql/campagne.htql?CRNO=... - 12k -
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Note added at 18 mins (2007-12-05 13:23:16 GMT)
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Situated at the southernmost tip of the French coast, the PORT OF TOULON benefits from an excellent strategic position in the Western Mediterranean. ...
maritime.var.cci.fr/uk/maritime/port-toulon.asp?idrub=629 - 25k -
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-05 15:24:32 GMT)
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I thought everybody would understand that it is the Southernmost French military or navy port.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-05 15:32:18 GMT)
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and it is gulf in both cases.
Dans le golfe de Gênes, c'est-à-dire sous le vent des Alpes, une dépression de valeur inférieure à 1 008 hPa s'est formée. Au vent de la Corse, au large, ...
www.meteo.fr/meteonet/decouvr/situation/mer.htm - 67k -
Le golfe du Lion est une petite partie de la mer Méditerranée qui se situe face au littoral sableux des régions françaises du Languedoc-Roussillon et de la ...
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golfe_du_Lion - 20k -
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B D Finch
: Just because it's published doesn't make it right. Look at a map and compare the position of Toulon with the Roussillon coast in the South West.
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Disagree with your disagree, I thought you would understand that it is the Southernmost French military port.
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Francis Marche
: Disagree with B D Finch: the Roussillon coast has SPAIN on one side, whilst Toulon has the French coast line extending East and West.
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Thank you Francis!
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