Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

vetro bugnato

English translation:

textured glass

Added to glossary by Nina Taranto
Oct 27, 2008 15:00
15 yrs ago
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Italian term

vetro bugnato

Italian to English Art/Literary Furniture / Household Appliances Casa-Museo
"- Lampadario a tre luci in vetro bugnato con specchiature e struttura in ottone
Produzione: “V.S.M. Venini & C.”, Murano "
All I can think of is pebbled glass. All help much appreciated.
Change log

Dec 1, 2008 04:46: Nina Taranto Created KOG entry

Discussion

Russell Jones Oct 27, 2008:
Ashlar and rusticated The Murano glass site is wrongly translated. Bugnato is ashlar only in a masonry context. The same applies to rusticated, though this term might be applied to other materials by extension.
E.g. Palazzo Medici: http://www.answers.com/topic/michelozzo

Proposed translations

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textured glass

A quick textured glass + chandelier google resulted in lots of hits and I seem to remember also seeing this in the glossary...
Peer comment(s):

agree Monia Di Martino : This should be the right one.
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Thanks Monia
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Ninat. I've now seen the thing. It is textured or embossed glass with a regular pattern, which looks just like pebbles. I have actually decided to use my original idea as pebbled glass, because all the fantastically useful answers show that "bugnato" here is not a standard technical term but really just a descriptive adjective. I would like to give everybody some points, "embossed" glass by Alessandra is also close."
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studded glass

studded glass
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Thanks Diana
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bevelled glass

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an illustration might help to pin it down better.
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That's all I have until Wednesday Tom
Thanks Tom
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embossed/hammered glass

Note from asker:
Thanks Alessandra
Peer comment(s):

agree Russell Jones : I've used embossed for bugnato before; it's really no more precise than textured but at least there's a linguistic connection. Hammered is a major sheet glass company's proprietary name for a particular texture though.
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Thanks, Russell
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rusticated glass

Have a nice one.

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http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&rlz=1T4GPTB_itIT293IT295&q...

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I did not know it was a "google" competition. The glass you have in your text has "bugne" ( http://it.bestmurano.com/catalogo-vetro-di-murano/vasi/vasi-... ). The English for "bugnato" is "rusticated" or "bossed".

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Jim:
The only google hit is written by Terry Farrell. I can assure you he is English (from Newcastle, native enough I guess) and one of the most famous architects in the world.
http://www.terryfarrell.co.uk/practice/tf.html
http://www.terryfarrell.co.uk/projects/sustaining/sust_clift...

I am a fan of the BG era (where BG stands for "before google"). How did we work then?

Anyway, I hope you will find the right answer, (asking for a picture might be a good idea....) have a nice evening.



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Faster? Yes. More reliable? Not at all.
It's like choosing between a dinner at "Le Cirque" and a McDonald's hamburger. Not comparable.


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:))
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=it&q=%22rusticated+glass%22&btnG=Cerca&lr=
"rusticated glass" Googles 1.
Milena if nobody else is using the term "rusticated glass" I can't pioneer it in a translation. I need examples or educated knowledgable native writers using the term. Google can give these examples, if they exist. So it is a rather special qualified Google competition, if you like. "Bossed" looks more hopeful, and your picture is radically different from another picture given by Colin, which is very useful information. Thanks for your useful and appreciated help.
Why are all the notes going to the wrong people? ARrgh!
Oops. This one went to the right person. There seems to be a bug in the page. Some "notes to answerers" have gone to the wrong people.
"How did we work then?" I used to take a tram and spend the day at the Sormani Libary in Milan in the fifteen or more years, before I got an Internet connection and started to use the Altavista search engine in 1995. I can now get more information in 5 minutes than in a couple of days poring through books in the library. Fond memories, but no way am I going back to the dark ages ;-).
Milena Google is a far more powerful tool than the Sormani Library. The quality of your translations will depend on how adept you are in using it.
You need to be able to interpret the results. You cite the quality of the 1 Google hit, but if you read it carefully you will see that the adjective "rusticated" is more probably than not a qualifier for the noun wall (a rusticated wall made of glass and timber) rather than a wall made of rusticated glass and timber. "On the long façade a rusticated glass and timber wall, representing the heavy stone side walls of a temple occupied three of the four garden bays. ..." Like the Oxford English Dictionary, or that of the academia della crusca, the Internet gives us the quotes, it is up to us to read them and interpret them.
Thanks Milena
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prunted glass/glass with prunts

Could this be it?

A prunt is a small blob of glass fused to a piece of glass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunt

Prunt
A small blob of glass which sticks out of the main .body of the vessel. It may be applied to the surface, or shaped by pulling it from the surface while still malleable. Punts are often used for decorative purposes, and may be of various sizes and shapes, round or pointed and may be positioned randomly or in precise patterns. They are sometimes useful in affording a firm grip on a vessel without handles

from the glossary of Art Deco Glass terms, see:
http://www.cowtown.net/mikefirth/glosdeco.htm

.... The body of the beaker is decorated with 'prunts'. These are blobs of glass applied by the glassmaker at the furnace while he was shaping the beaker.

See:
Victoria and Albert
http://collections.vam.ac.uk/objectid/O668

Can't find any hits for chandeliers with prunts though :-(

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Description:

Will an oil lamp do?

A Victorian Oil Lamp with opaque and clear ***prunted glass*** font and reeded brass column, on circular black pottery base.
http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/a-victorian-oil-lamp-w...



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This 5" tall deep, rich cranberry (almost Ruby) with applied vaseline uranium glass prunts, rigaree and was made by John Walsh Walsh, circa 1906. The bottom has a raspberry prunt on center bottom. Three large circular vaseline glass stylized flower head prunts are a registered design by John Walsh Walsh. The flower head prunt was registered as Rd. 476078, on March 21, 1906. This is an unmarked piece, but without a doubt, made by John Walsh Walsh! The raspberry prunt used on the underside is also a known prunt design and is shown in the design registry of Gulliver's book. VICTORIAN DECORATIVE GLASS: BRITISH DESIGNS 1850-1914, by Mervyn Gulliver, copyright 2002, pg. 284, top left design block. -- part of a collection of art glass to be sold live on eBayLiveAuctions on Oct 5th at 1pm, Andy & Rob Collection.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5715226


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HUGE MURANO LAMP BY BAROVIER
Description: Large pale pink Murano lamp by Barovier with gold inclusions with glass prunts.
http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:V7gJLvqwlJkJ:www.mainstr...


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Bugne

Gocce di vetro applicate ad un corpo vitreo, solitamente un bicchiere o una coppa, come decorazione.

Source:
Decorazione de vetri del Cimento
Istituto e Museo di Studio della Scienza

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see link:
http://brunelleschi.imss.fi.it/museum/isim.asp?c=201101
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Thanks Sarah
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Image of product described as "vetro bugnato"

No idea what to call it in English, though!
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Hello
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Reference:

glass with ashlar work

bugna = ashlar
Have found this, if it's any use:

Black vase with ashlar work
Conical black vase in opaque crystal with polished glass ashlars, all the same size and arranged evenly around the body.
There's a picture of it at this link:

http://en.murano-glass-shop.it/shop-buy/vases/design-vases/b...

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and there's another picture of vetro bugnato di Murano here:
http://gulp-verona.it/img/immagini/thu/Flavio Poli per Toso-...
Note from asker:
Thanks Colin. That is what I couldn't find.
Thanks Colin, that is what I couldn't find.
Hi Sarah, there is a bug in this page. I Click on note to Colin and it goes to you. If I click for a note to you it does nothing. Ashlar is what the Garzanti gives. It is a type fo brickwork pattern.
Thanks for the input Colin
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