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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

4-Personen-Arbeitnehmerhaushalt

English translation:

4 person household with a wage earner

Added to glossary by AllegroTrans
May 17, 2013 12:52
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German term

4-Personen-Arbeitnehmerhaushalt

German to English Social Sciences Law: Contract(s) in a lease context
Index Linking clause

Is this a household which has 4 people employed or a household with employed member(s), e.g. a family of four with one or both parents working? I think probably the latter. One option I saw was a 4-person working class household, but "working class" is surely too specific.

Any suggestions or enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 4 person household with a wage earner
4 +1 four-person working household
3 +1 4 person employee household
4 a four person household with one or more members who are employeed
3 Employed Household of Four
Change log

May 17, 2013 12:54: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Social Sciences" , "Field (write-in)" from "lease" to "in a lease context"

May 22, 2013 09:45: AllegroTrans Created KOG entry

Discussion

Ramey Rieger (X) May 17, 2013:
How about 4-member household, gainfully employed? Seems in keeping with the vagueness of the source text, yet is most likely what it means.
writeaway May 17, 2013:
salaried employee might work for Arbeitnehmer. as opposed to professional, self-employed etc.
Lis Liesicke May 17, 2013:
@philgoddard - I know that Arbeitnehmer isn't manual worker, it's the only term used with cost of living indexes that I could find, albeit from around 1935, that's why I didn't post it as a suggestion!
oa_xxx (X) May 17, 2013:
And it doesnt exist anymore. At least the Lebenshaltungskostenindex doesnt.
oa_xxx (X) May 17, 2013:
Not sure if this helps a lot but think that it does show that its not about a household with 4 working people, amazing that theres no explanation anywhere!:
4-Personen-Haushalten von Arbeitern und Angestellten (mit mittlerem Einkommen) =
Frühere Bezeichnung: „4-Personen-Arbeitnehmerhaushalt mit mittlerem Einkommen (des alleinverdienenden Haushaltsvorstandes)“, „4-Personen-Arbeitnehmerhaushaltung, mittlere Verbrauchergruppe“
Frosty May 17, 2013:
@ Lis - agreed, not necessarily 4 incomes. Sounds like a query to the client may be in order for clarification. After all, it could also refer to a household with say 1 full-time working dad, 1 part-time working mum and 2 school-age children, whereby the parents are employees, not self-employed. Don't forget, the CEOs of many multinational companies are also employees!
philgoddard May 17, 2013:
Lis: Arbeitnehmer doesn't mean manual worker - you may be getting mixed up with Arbeiter.

I'm 95% sure that it means four-person household with at least one person working, but I can't find any references.
Lis Liesicke May 17, 2013:
It's not a household with 4 incomes, it is a 4-person manual worker's family, a statistic used to calculate the cost of living index and now no longer applicable in Germany (afaik). However I can only find the term "4-person manual worker's family" in fairly old (pre 1930) US statistics
writeaway May 17, 2013:
where does working class even enter into it??

Proposed translations

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4 person household with a wage earner

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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-05-17 15:16:32 GMT)
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In more prosperous times, it might have been safe to assume that the average 4-person household contained two wage earners, but with U-6 unemployment at a seasonally ...
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Note from asker:
This was the perfect answer to my question. I did query it with the client, but I'm pretty sure it's the right answer. I made one small adjustment because the household might have one or more wage earners and used "wage earner(s)". Thank you for the help.
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : This implies one, but could be anything from one to four.
2 hrs
It seems to me very "un German" not to specify the number :-)
agree franglish : That's how I understand it, too, else the number of wage earners would be specified.
2 hrs
thanks
agree David Moore (X) : I almost disagree with "wage-earner"; I think it actually means "salary-earner". But I do agree in broad terms./ Maybe, but correctly they are different - I know - I've been both "waged" and "salaried".
16 hrs
well, wages snd salaries are used interchangeably in my experience
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+1
47 mins

4 person employee household

Literally - a household with 4 incomes!
Peer comment(s):
neutral David Moore (X) : I don't really think so...
1 hr
Hi David, the four incomes bit - that , I now realise, was a presumption, but the translation suggestion in general? After all, it is almost word for word as per Oxford-Duden!
agree Dhananjay Rau : I would say that is correct
1 hr
Thanks Dhananjay
neutral Ramey Rieger (X) : I'm duly sceptical, but not scathingly so
2 hrs
Thanks Ramey, and for the Barmherzigkeit! But also take a look at the link in my response to Phil.
neutral philgoddard : The index is obviously supposed to represent a typical household. Four people working is hardly typical.
3 hrs
Thanks Phil. Have a look-see here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Mama . In DE, four (or more) incomes going into one household is very common; 2 such families live on my street, in a Kuhkaff in the Boonies.
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+1
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four-person working household

It means the household has at least one wage earner.
Example sentence:

A “working household” is defined as a household with at least one employed member (excluding foreign domestic helpers)

A ‘working household’ is defined as any household that contains at least one individual whose principal economic status (PES) is ‘at work.’

Reference:

http://www.oxfam.org.hk/en/news_1972.aspx

http://www.combatpoverty.ie/publications/TheWorkingPoorInIrelandExecSumm_2009.pdf

Peer comment(s):
agree oa_xxx (X) : I like this but only one concern - the idea of self-employed v. employee?
18 hrs
A self-employed person is employed!
neutral AllegroTrans : ambiguous - could mean "4 persons working"
19 hrs
Tell that to Oxfam (see my reference)!
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19 hrs

Employed Household of Four

might be an idea... as the source is kind of a category name...
Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : ambiguous in my view
4 hrs
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a four person household with one or more members who are employeed

a four person household with one or more members who are employeed or
a four person household with at least one member who is employed

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Note added at 4 days (2013-05-22 10:01:18 GMT) Post-grading
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sorry about the spelling mistake and the fact that I did not see it ..... of course the word "employeed" was supposed to be "employed"
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