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TOPIC STARTER | Thank you, but | Jan 12, 2023 |
Thank you all so much for your detailed take on exactly how the file can indeed appear as changed. I had half thought these PMs were making it up, but I guess not!
In this case then, does anyone have a work-around for their extremely expensive SUBSCRIPTION-based software? I keep being told that to work with them I HAVE to use their software, which costs some $500 a year, every year indefinitely.
The PMs I work with do not provide log-in credentials to access or use any ... See more Thank you all so much for your detailed take on exactly how the file can indeed appear as changed. I had half thought these PMs were making it up, but I guess not!
In this case then, does anyone have a work-around for their extremely expensive SUBSCRIPTION-based software? I keep being told that to work with them I HAVE to use their software, which costs some $500 a year, every year indefinitely.
The PMs I work with do not provide log-in credentials to access or use any free version of the software. Indeed, most of them do not even seem to know we have to pay to work with them. And they all require that I provide something called an LTB report, which, as I understand it, is only possible by using their software.
I am reaching a hard point here, personally. I recently had to completely push that other extremely large, extremely toxic translation agency out of my life because working with them (in-house for 3 years, out for 3 years) was just killing me in every way. But at least with them I could use Trados despite their proprietary software being Wordfast.
Sorry if this is straying from the topic, but how can it be that my only two choices are go back to an agency that makes me negotiate my own value with every single job and then refuses to pay when a single comma is amiss OR work for a company that makes me pay just to have the OPPORTUNITY of working with them (as there's no way to guarantee you'll even make more than their $500 yearly subscription fee). Feeling lost in this industry despite my MA in Translation and over 10 years in this industry...
Thank you all for your help. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Rebekah Olson
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TOPIC STARTER | And if I don't work for them? | Jan 12, 2023 |
Ice Scream wrote:
For contractual reasons I probably can’t comment on whether or not I work for the company in question, but if I did I may have used their xliff editor for free for many years.
I think the whole paying to use their tool thing was a storm in a teacup a decade or more back.
[Edited at 2022-12-26 17:40 GMT]
[Edited at 2022-12-26 17:40 GMT]
If I don't work in-house for them, I do not have access to their software for free, correct?
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Stepan Konev
Russian Federation
Local time: 17:31
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| Linguistic Toolbox | Jan 12, 2023 |
Rebekah Olson wrote:
And they all require that I provide something called an LTB report, which, as I understand it, is only possible by using their software. They mean a report made in their QA software called Linguistic Toolbox 3. You can download it here: http://autoupdate.lionbridge.com/ltb3/LinguisticToolbox.zip
| | | | Stepan Konev
Russian Federation
Local time: 17:31
English to Russian
| Check your messages | Jan 12, 2023 |
Check your email please.
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[quote]Rebekah Olson wrote:
Ice Scream wrote:
If I don't work in-house for them, I do not have access to their software for free, correct?
No, I mean I may or at not have worked for them on a freelance basis. A community partner🙄
I may or may not have xliff editor and ltb from them on my pc. Access to their own online software too. Never paid a penny for any of it. I don’t understand why you too can’t use them for free.
I only do life sciences stuff though, maybe that makes a difference?
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TOPIC STARTER | I don't have an e-mail from anyone here, if that's what you meant | Jan 13, 2023 |
Stepan Konev wrote:
Check your email please.
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Rebekah Olson
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TOPIC STARTER | Log in is something you have to buy though, right? | Jan 13, 2023 |
Stepan Konev wrote: Rebekah Olson wrote:
And they all require that I provide something called an LTB report, which, as I understand it, is only possible by using their software. They mean a report made in their QA software called Linguistic Toolbox 3. You can download it here: http://autoupdate.lionbridge.com/ltb3/LinguisticToolbox.zip
Thank you for providing that link. When I try to download it, it asks for a tenancy and a valid log-in, which you have to pay for as far as I understand it (?). When I ask PMs for this info, they tell me I get it by subscribing to the xliff editor/geoworkz that Lionbridge owns.
| | | | Stepan Konev
Russian Federation
Local time: 17:31
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| That's right | Jan 13, 2023 |
Rebekah Olson wrote:
When I try to download it, it asks for a tenancy and a valid log-in, which you have to pay for as far as I understand it (?). Yes, that's right. Please also check your proz messages.
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| | | | | Wrong people | Jan 13, 2023 |
Rebekah Olson wrote:
Thank you for providing that link. When I try to download it, it asks for a tenancy and a valid log-in, which you have to pay for as far as I understand it (?). When I ask PMs for this info, they tell me I get it by subscribing to the xliff editor/geoworkz that Lionbridge owns.
Talk to community management about this. POs are uniformly clueless.
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TOPIC STARTER | CM says buy our product | Jan 13, 2023 |
Ice Scream wrote: Rebekah Olson wrote:
Thank you for providing that link. When I try to download it, it asks for a tenancy and a valid log-in, which you have to pay for as far as I understand it (?). When I ask PMs for this info, they tell me I get it by subscribing to the xliff editor/geoworkz that Lionbridge owns. Talk to community management about this. POs are uniformly clueless.
I agree that PMs are uniformly clueless, it's the same at TPT. A dreaded part of translating is working with agencies - I envy those who got to work in a time before they existed.
Community management says to buy their product, they do not offer free credentials. Any work-around ideas?
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Rebekah Olson wrote:
Community management says to buy their product, they do not offer free credentials. Any work-around ideas?
Tell them you know others don’t pay and if they want you to work for them they will need to treat you the same?
I wouldn’t stand for it myself.
| | | | | It should be free, please check the link | Jan 13, 2023 |
Lionbridge’s tools should be available for free for freelancers. See this link on their Partner Portal: https://partners.lionbridge.com/SPPProtected/TranslationWorkspace
To quote the relevant parts (you have to be a Lionbridge partner to log in and see the page):
“As a new Community Partner, you should have received a “welcome email” from the Ge... See more Lionbridge’s tools should be available for free for freelancers. See this link on their Partner Portal: https://partners.lionbridge.com/SPPProtected/TranslationWorkspace
To quote the relevant parts (you have to be a Lionbridge partner to log in and see the page):
“As a new Community Partner, you should have received a “welcome email” from the GeoWorkz team with instructions on how to sign-up to access Translation Workspace. If you did not receive a welcome email, please contact the GeoWorkz team and they will address it right away.”
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“Freelance translators newly onboarded as Lionbridge Partners receive a free Translation Workspace subscription in the form of a “Start Up” plan. This Start Up promotional plan allows new Lionbridge translators to use Translation Workspace without any fees for an unlimited period, provided that translated volumes do not exceed 30,000 words/month for Lionbridge projects.”
They probably want to avoid agencies signing up as “partners” and then using it extensively with a lot of people. I think that’s fair. I’m not even sure how “hard” that limit is.
I have also translated Lionbridge’s xlz files with Trados in the past, and that worked well, without having to unpack them and jumping through any hoops. Just add them to a Trados project as-is. Of course that means you can’t use their translation memories, so you might want to stick with XLIFF Editor. It’s not that bad. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Stepan Konev
Russian Federation
Local time: 17:31
English to Russian
| What can be worse? | Jan 13, 2023 |
Maurits Meulenbelt wrote:
I have also translated Lionbridge’s xlz files with Trados in the past, and that worked well, without having to unpack them and jumping through any hoops. Just add them to a Trados project as-is. Of course that means you can’t use their translation memories, so you might want to stick with XLIFF Editor. It’s not that bad. When you save your translation from Trados, the output file structure is always different from the input file. That is why they can see that you used Trados and that is why they forbid using CAT tools other than their TWS XLIFF Editor.
Also I wonder what can be worse than TWS that fails to run simple commands like Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C/V, etc.
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